Drop GOOGLE.

Google will NOT sign me in. Also, your new colors are very pastel and female. Time wasting change.

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  • colors are for everyone. There are no male or female colors. 

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  • Colors represent gender. Example: blue for a boy, pink for a girl

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  • I'm a big fan of the new colors.  (and male) 

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  • The actual problem with the new colors is that they are low contrast and therefore not good for people with vision problems such as color blindness.

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      • Herman
      • herman
      • 6 mths ago
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      jenmas interestingly YNAB sees it differently:

      What’s changed? We significantly increased the contrast between the color of the background (the “pill”) and the text, while muting the background color. These changes increase the contrast in general, which makes the text easier to read for everyone.

      We’re not done yet.

      This is a very small change, and is coming first only to the web app. While this helps with readability, we still use red and green to send signals about Available amounts, which isn’t the ideal experience for anyone with red-green color blindness.

      As a part of some larger visual changes, we’re looking at how to send these signals in ways that don’t rely on color at all. We’re also planning on increasing readability through increased type sizes, especially in the mobile apps, where text is simply too small, while also improving color combinations and contrast in general. Those changes aren’t quite ready, but that doesn’t mean we need to wait for a small change like this.

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      • katsmeow
      • katsmeow
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      Herman   This new change is horrible.  The contrast is awful.  It scares me to see you saying you are going to do more stuff.  You still haven't fixed this forum which gives me a headache whenever I come here due to the lack of contrast and difficulty reading things.  I am not color blind, but I do use reading glasses.

      The problem isn't so much the contrast in the pill as the pill being faded out so hard to see.  I literally I have to lean over my desk and get closer to the screen to read the available column.  Before, I could read it sitting in my chair.

      I don't actually care how YNAB sees this.  I care how I see this and I can't see well with this.  Just let us choose!  If someone wants this washed out, faded change -- fine.  I am open to different people liking different things.  Just don't break it for me.  Let me use what works for me.  This should not be rocket science to do.  Let us have a choice.

      I have no illusions that anyone will do anything.  People have repeatedly complained about this forum and how hard it is to read and no change has been made.  If you can't offer us a choice in this forum, I don't expect one in YNAB itself.  But, if you make YNAB itself unusable for me you increase the chance that I simply don't continue with it.

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      • Herman
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      • 6 mths ago
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      katsmeow I won't be doing anything because I don't work for ynab although I love the new colors.  

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      • katsmeow
      • katsmeow
      • 6 mths ago
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      Herman Good point.  I was speaking more globally and should not have used "you" when I was really responding to what YNAB was saying in the part you quoted.

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    • jenmas We adjusted the contrast of the colors so that they’re easier to see. The goal is to eventually become more accessible to everyone, including folks with Deuteranopia (or red-green color blindness).

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      • jenmas
      • jenmas
      • 6 mths ago
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      Nicole - I find them harder to see now that they have been changed.

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    • jenmas Thanks for letting me know! I'll pass that along to the team. 😄

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    • Herman YNAB is wrong. It's really that simple. Quite a few people with, and without, colorblindness have already chimed in and I think you're literally the only one who likes the change.

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      • Herman
      • herman
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Lightning Lucky me! I love them.  I hated the old colors.

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      • HappyDance
      • YNABing consistently since 2014
      • HappyDance
      • 6 mths ago
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      I confess to prefering the new colours to the old ones, actually, especially the orange or amber one.  The other orange made me CRAZY, but this new one doesn't bother me at all.   But truth be told I far prefer no pill shaped bubble around the balance available at all, like the toolkit provides, just green numbers on white for a positive balance.  Now, if I could just get rid of those stupid status circles with pie shapes and check marks, I'll be really pleased.

       

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      • Patzer
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      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      HappyDance 

      CSS code to eliminate the stupid icons:

      .icon-goal, .icon-credt, .icon-upcoming {
          display: none;
      }

      Courtesy of a Toolkit developer who thought the request to turn them off was too easy to build into Toolkit.

      And yes, to be honest the new muted yellow is far better than the old ugly orange.  It's even better than the Toolkit muted blue.  But no pills around the numbers at all would be best.

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    • HappyDance What specific option in the toolkit turns it to look like this? I Would love my screen like that

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    • HappyDance Nevermind I found it, mine is just so muted still. in general I would prefer the text to be darker around the whole website.

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      • alexmidd
      • alexmidd
      • 6 mths ago
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      Herman Sure, YNAb think they have increased the contrast but the actual fact of the matters is that they have not. It is obvious to anyone that the new colours have far less contrast than before.

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      • alexmidd
      • 6 mths ago
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      Nicole But the fact is they are not easier to see. You may think they are but to me and many others they are not, and you can't tell me that I am wrong as you cannot see through my eyes.

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      • HappyDance
      • YNABing consistently since 2014
      • HappyDance
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer 

      Unfortunately, I don't know what a CSS code is or what to do with it.

      It may be too easy for a Toolkit developer to bother with, but for those of us with zero development skills, we are at the mercy of what YNAB developers do, or won't do -- can we get a running balance already?! --  and what Toolkit developers are willing to voluntarily spend time fixing. 

      I think the Toolkit is a work of sheer genius and brilliance, and a significant portion of that genius and brilliance is an assessment of how responsive (and quick) they have been to requests for tweaks that benefit but a few.

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      HappyDance 

      I didn't know how to use CSS code either until YNAB rolled out the stupid icons.  I requested a Toolkit option to turn them off, and got told it was too easy.  So the nice developer pointed me at finding a CSS code extension, and I played around until I figured out how to paste the code in.  Still don't totally understand the CSS code, but I could take the code given to restore the original colors and paste it in if I really wanted those colors back.

      Found a Chrome extension called Stylbot and a Firefox extension called Custom Style Script, then it was RTFM, paste code, and figure out how to make it work.

      Or you could try to sweet talk the Toolkit developers into putting in an option to kill the icons.  Didn't work for me, but maybe they'll be more interested now.

      ETA:  Why doesn't YNAB get a clue that the existence and popularity of Toolkit is a strong indicator that the base package has serious user interface failings?

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      • HappyDance
      • YNABing consistently since 2014
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      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer 

      Hmmm.  I'm not adverse to at least attempting to learn a new skill.  I'll check out Stylbot and see if I can make sense of it.  There's a long weekend coming up...

      Thank you.

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      • HappyDance
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      • HappyDance
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       Patzer

      Woohoo!  It worked like a charm.  I love love love my budget screen again. No more distracting balance status icons to annoy me.

      It literally took me 1 minute to figure it out this morning, but only because  Isaac C. posted this fantastic how-to download a CSS extension and step-by-step to post CSS code in it. (link to that post)  [follow-up post with corrected colour code linked here] That how-to post was to help some colour-blind YNABers gain control of the colour scheme on the category balances.  When I followed that instruction and used the bit of code you posted above, Zing went the strings of my heart.  Mark me down as delighted.

      Thanks to you both.

       

      It's a thing of beauty.

       

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      HappyDance It's a learning experience.  Today I learned that the CSS extension Isaac C.  referenced is easier to work with than what I had been using.  And I really appreciated his updated code with variables that let me get the colors I want (black text on white for positive, red text on white for negative) pretty easily.

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      • HappyDance
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      Patzer 

      Oooh.  I'd like to have red on white for negative (no bubble).  That sounds like a project for the advanced class and for when I'm not timing some batch cooking tasks.  I'll save that thought for another day. 

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
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      HappyDance 

      This whole nonsense with colors got me to hunt for font types, too.  Found I could use font-weight:bold in conjunction with black, white, and red colors to achieve pretty much what I want in the Available column.  Picture from a fictitious test budget:

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      • HappyDance
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      Patzer 

      This is as fun as two nickels and a trip to the penny candy store. 😄

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  • The part that I find humorous is the fact that we have a huge webpage of the announcement, a "hellobar" type blip when I went to my budget, etc..

    You lightened 3 colors. I would rather see a better handling on Scheduled Transactions. Seems like alot of something fairly small

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    • RIP_MSMoney We're always interested in how we can improve the apps, and communicate those updates—big & small! Announcing the rollout across our various platforms is part of that, for folks that might not want to keep up with the YNAB Release Notes.

      This particular change, is to help with accessibility and only the beginning of what we have planned!
       

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      • RIP_MSMoney
      • FinTech Programmer
      • rip_ms_money
      • 6 mths ago
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      Nicole Looking forward to seeing the bigger changes you have in the pipeline to rollout.

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  • Hi Stoic Randy ! Google SSO is offered as an option for users to link, and log in using an existing Google account. If you don't want to use that, you can log in with your regular username and password!

    Thank you for your feedback on our new color scheme! This is definitely an ongoing project, and we wanted to get this first change out because a lot of users will benefit from it. As we mentioned in our blog post, we're ultimately working towards reducing our reliance on colors all-together, so this is the first of many updates and improvements.

    I'll be sure to pass along your feedback to our designers, so they're aware. Let us know if you have any other questions. We're happy to help!

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  • We/I made this change way to big. For my part, I apologize. I do not have an accessibility issue and stepped outside my personal objective to focus on what I control. I use YNAB and will continue with or without bold or muted colors. Conversely, I don't trust Google and bristle when I see the intrusive logo.

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    • Stoic Randy Actually, there's another (much larger) thread that is unanimous in this being a bad change that makes the problem they were trying to solve worse instead of better. They've made it harder for people who are red-green colorblind to see the colors.

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      • RIP_MSMoney
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      • rip_ms_money
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Lightning How much better it would have been to allow the three colors be selected by the customer. Just make it an option and configurable. It would then work for mobile, web, etc. Plus each person can do their own setup. 

      Nicole I understand this is against YNAB to have options but this is another example of a simple fix to satisfy all views 

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    • RIP_MSMoney YNAB is a good product with a stunningly arrogant approach to customer service. I'll keep using it for now, but I'm close enough to being where I want to be financially that I won't really need it much longer.

      I also would not have renewed for this year if I had seen this change beforehand, it's that much of a product breaking change.

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Lightning 

      Forest Green Lightning said:

      good product with a stunningly arrogant approach to customer service

       What a great description!  I live with the knowledge that at any time, YNAB could roll out changes that make the product unusable for me, while pumping out a brag that they've improved it.  Accordingly, I have a Plan B and a Plan C for what to do about a budget.   From Plan C, below is a snip of what a competitor's screen looks like.

      The Balance column is equivalent to YNAB Available.   The In/Out column is where you budget, and the numbers disappear after you enter them.  The Want column is equivalent to goals, calculated for this month's portion.  The In column is the sum of positive budgeted amounts.  The Activity column is the sum of transactions and negative budgeted amounts.  The little square beside "Want" shows goal status; light green, goal met.  Part-full blue, goal not met.  The slider scale applies to goals of "Save $X by depositing $Z" per month, which lets me top up groceries (X=Z=300) and cap Auto:Service (X=2000, Z=200).

      This particular competitor beats the pants off YNAB for the monthly budgeting process.  Unfortunately, it lacks a lot of useful stuff YNAB has for transaction workflow.  But I could make it work if YNAB walks down the path of random changes to make the product less and less useful for me.  I don't like the muted light gray cents, but I could live with them if I had to.

      And the budget screen is a lot cleaner (at least for dollars) with black on white and the other indicators elsewhere than YNAB's pills that make numbers harder to read.

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