Budgeting with Gift Cards (bought by me)
I am new to YNAB and I am in the process of trying to figure out if it will work for me. So far, I love it! One of the things I have run into when setting up my budget is I'm not sure I understand how to budget with gift cards that I have purchased. (I purchase a lot of gift cards to use at various places because I get a % back that goes towards my kid's school tuition.) Right now, I have a budget account "Gift Cards" that has the balance of all of the gift cards. When I was searching for how to deal with gift cards, I saw that lots of you do individual budget accounts for each gift card. Is that mainly for being able to track the balance of each gift card easily? Is there another way I should do this?
Also, I can't quite wrap my mind around what I need to do to make sure my accounts are all correct. When I buy gift cards (with funds from my checking account), do I just need to mark that check (that I used to pay for the gift cards) as a transfer from my Checking Account budget account to my Gift Cards budget account? And then how do I budget them? Right now, I budgeted all the funds in the Gift Cards budget account into a category called "Gift Card Balance" (to prevent me from budgeting the gift cards towards things I can't use them for). And then when I buy something with a gift card, I add a transaction to the Gift Cards budget account and choose the correct category, and then subtract the purchase amount from the Gift Card Balance category. Is that right? And is that the best way to do it?
Thanks in advance for your help! I've found YNAB very intuitive thus far, and I just want to make sure I budget and enter these correctly.
It sounds like you are entering the transactions correctly. Some people do a separate account for every category. I only have one. Some people consider the purchase of a Starbucks Gift card as an expenditure to their Dining Out category because it is a single use gift card and would consider a purchase of a Target gift card as a transfer from the Checking Account/Credit Card Account to the Gift Card Account because Target could hit a bunch of categories. I treat all gift cards as if they are multi-use because I think of it as just freeing up other funds.
Example: every month this survey site that I belong to gives me a $10 Amazon gift card. I treat it as a deposit to the Gift Card account. When I got my gift card code in November, I allocated those $10 to my new dining room chairs category. Am I going to get those chairs from Amazon? Nope. I've picked out chairs at Ikea. But to me it doesn't matter because the $10 I spend at Amazon on my gift card means $10 fewer dollars to pay to a credit card company for a purchase so those $10 can be for my new dining room chairs.
Because I sometimes have multiple giftcards in a single account, I use the memo field of each transaction to note Amazon balance = $4.43 or Target balance = $56.93 or whatever.Reply
Hey Simple Momma , I think you've brought up a great question! And thanks jenmas for your helpful framework for thinking about gift cards. I especially like this...
I treat all gift cards as if they are multi-use because I think of it as just freeing up other funds.
I think that's helpful, because it's true! A $10 Starbucks card is $10 less of your paycheck that you have to budget towards purchasing coffee, or whatever category coffee comes out of. It's $10 freed up for anything else you want - multi-use.
So I think there are multiple ways to approach this and the best way is the way that works for you!
1. Individual Accounts for each gift card budgeted to individual/specific categories - The pro here is that you can have the minutia of knowing the balance on each card and how it's being spent.
2. Individual Accounts for each gift card budgeted to one gift card category - The pro here is that you can not only know the balance of each card, but you don't have to specify the exact type of expense, because you're generalizing it as gift cards.
3. Single Account for all gift cards budgeted to individual/specific categories - The pro here is that you can dump all gift cards in one place, but have the flexibility to budget their use for specific expenses.
4. Single Account for all gift cards budgeted to one gift card category - This is probably the easiest of setups and maintenance, as they are the least moving parts! :)
Now as for the mechanics of it, you'll want to transfer money from your checking to the gift card account. It's an outflow from your checking account and inflow into your gift card account. And then from that gift card account, you can add transactions and categorize according to your set up!
Let me know if that stirs up any further questions!Reply
Dan at YNAB said:
Now as for the mechanics of it, you'll want to transfer money from your checking to the gift card account. It's an outflow from your checking account and inflow into your gift card account.
Which is great but you will need to be careful if your transfer to the gift card is from a credit card as YNAB will not currently recognise the transaction as an outgoing expenditure on the credit card so will not correctly adjust the budget for the credit card. You will need to do this manually otherwise the amount in the budget to pay the credit card falls behind and does not accurately reflect the amount you owe on the credit card. The best way is to ensure that the 'payment' for the credit card in the budget always equals the balance on the credit card account. Please let me know if I can help furtherReply
So I just ran into iwaddo's warning above:
Transferred $100 from my Credit Card (outflow) to my Starbucks App (inflow), both of which are "on budget" accounts in nYNAB. I put the $100 TBB that is generated into a Starbucks budget category, then I spend from the Starbucks App account against the Starbucks budget category when I buy each coffee. I actually divide it into 2 budget categories, Now vs. Future, which allows me to "portion" how much of the gift card I want to use until my next paycheck vs. save for later.
The Credit Card balance shows the incremental -$100 while the Starbucks App balance increases to +$100 as expected. What does not happen, though, is $100 automatically flowing into the Credit Card Available/Payment column, so it throws off how much the budget allocates to pay off the card vs. what I really need to pay off the card (an extra $100).
Is this a bug and if not, why does it work this way conceptually speaking?Reply
Hi, I’m not sure it is a bug but just a use case that was not envisaged.
I have written a comprehensive note detailing the issue to help the support team understand this particular scenario, there are a number. I am not sure whether we will see changes in the application.
I have just got into the habit of manually adjusting the amount available on the CC in the budget to match the CC account register, not ideal but not to difficult.
After further research and testing, here's how I'm handling it go forward which seems to work fairly well and may be helpful to others running into this same issue:
1. Must have (at least) $100 sitting in TBB already
2. Set up new empty budget category called "Starbucks Transfer Temp"
3. Enter $100 transaction in Credit Card account to buy Starbucks gift card and assign outflow to Starbucks Transfer Temp category. Credit Card balance increases by $100 and Transfer Temp category goes negative $100.
4. Now enter $100 inflow transaction in Starbucks App (account) assigned to Starbucks Transfer Temp, clearing that budget category's Available back to 0. Starbucks App account balance should now show the additional $100. Available/Payment on Credit Card account should also now automatically reflect an additional $100 available to pay off the gift card purchased on credit.
5. Finally move the $100 remaining in TBB to whatever Starbucks budget category(s) you want to track actual purchases against. I use Me vs. Wife vs. Future from a couple posts above since 2 of us use the app and want to limit how much we spend there each month.
Testing this in an empty budget with only these transactions, Total Available shows $200 despite the budget only having $100 of real money in it, but this variance disappears as money is spent from the Starbucks App account (when gift card is fully spent, both Total Available and Total Budgeted = $100).
Icing on the cake with this approach is that the gift card purchase itself does not show as "Spending" in reports (due to Starbucks Transfer Temp account zeroing out). This makes better sense when I buy a $100 gift card but only use $30 of it at Starbucks during the month (spending in the Starbucks App account does flow through into reports as desired).Reply
I run into this problem too, and it's frustrating because it doesn't happen all the time.
I recently bought a few hundred dollars in Costco gift cards, because wholesale clubs is the current category for the Discover It card and Costco doesn't take Discover in store. I bought some cards last month and set them up as a transfer from my Discover Card to my "Costco Cash Card" account and it worked fine, as if I was withdrawing cash and moving it to my cash account. I just want to move the money from one account to the other, and then budget purchases normally, but using "Costco Cash Card" as my form of payment.
This time however, when I tried to do the same thing, it was showing that I had the amount I bought it Costco Cash Cards as income and wanted me to budget it. This makes no sense because again, I'm just moving from one account to another. I thought maybe it was something to do with categorizing this account as "Line of Credit", so I made a new one and categorized it as "Cash" and it does the same thing.
The possibility is this happened before but I didn't notice, and just budgeted the money :(. I guess we'll see, and I hope this isn't the case. I don't think it is but now I'm worried.
Anyway, I think this is buying gift cards to personally use thing is a common technique, and I wish YNAB would make their system more workable with this.Reply
All - I haven't any gift cards setup yet but I'm trying to read through this post to see how to avoid any problems ... but I'm unclear. If I add $100 to a Starbucks gift card using my credit card, isn't YNAB just going to treat that like any other $100 credit card transaction?
Wait ... thinking ... so you have an "account" setup for the gift cards ... and you want to see that $100 show as inflow to the gift card account. I'm guessing the gift cards are not "connected" otherwise you'd see a $100 inflow to the cards. But if the gift card is not connected then you'd have to record the inflow manually anyway with an inflow transaction, right?
My wife and I were thinking about doing some budgeting using gift cards so I'm just trying to make sure I understand what others are seeing.Reply
Since I've told YNAB my cc is a chequing account, I just enter a transfer from my cc to my coffee gc account.
However, because you are transfering value and not assigning a category, YNAB treats this like a cash advance from your credit card and increases the TBB by the amount of the transfer. At this point, you must manually budget the TBB amount to the cc payment for the credit card.
I'll have to give time for that to settle or just give it a shot if/when I start putting gift cards in YNAB. I'm having a hard time imagining how a "transfer" from a CC would look to YNAB. As I'm learning YNAB, I'm finding that YNAB doesn't over-think things so I would expect that the transfer "from" CC would just look like any other outflow (-) and then as inflow (+) on whatever is on the "to" side of the transfer and all would work fine. But it sounds like it's a bit more nuanced than that.
Not everyone wants to track every coffee purchase. They could just as easily consider the purchase of the Starbucks card a one-time purchase
That does sound more like what my wife and I would do ... BUT ... I also like the idea of recording gc transactions. Not necessarily because I feel the need to track every gc purchase but so I can see the gc balance in YNAB.Reply
...but the Credit Card budget category does not automatically increment by the transfer amount. This is very noticeable if you pay your Credit Card in full each month and aren't on the "float", such that the Account balance normally equals the Budget category amount. After doing this transaction, the two numbers will no longer automatically match.
That seems odd. I wonder if there is a logical reason for why YNAB behaves this way with CC transfers 🤔.
BTW - I just got a $200 gc for switching my mobile provider. I added it as a disconnected account just to see what would happen. As you know, the $200 basically looked like new income to YNAB and went straight to TBB. I recorded a transaction and of course, I had to categorize it since the money is part of my budget now. Once the gc is spent, I imagine I won't be able to delete the gc "account" since it has categorized transactions so I'll be stuck with it. I guess I could just leave the gc "account" as a place-holder and use it with any future gc's. Anyhow, I don't think I'm going to stick with this approach ... I don't need the complexity, particularly since I'm still new to YNAB. I like that I can track the balance in YNAB but I can probably do that with an offline Tracking Account (off-budget account) since you can record transactions against those but don't have to categorize them and none of it impacts the budget.
I can't reload my particular gc but if I could reload it from my cc, I think I would try to find a way to enter the cc transaction as any other cc transaction (not a cc transfer/advance) and then just add the inflow to the gc account manually. I'm not sure how I would categorize the cc transaction though ... I guess some benign category like "Cash" or "Gift Card". Hmmm ... very interesting scenario to ponder ... thanks for the enlightenment.Reply
I'm transitioning from YNAB4 to nYNAB after 5 years. The whole YNAB system really helped me get my finances in order and actually retire a few years early. I'm very grateful for that.
I'm switching over now as it seems that the Mac OS and iOS updates are advancing past what the unsupported YNAB4 and YNAB classic will handle. I'd have a hard time trying to recover if my mobile and laptop versions just crashed - and I don't think that day is too far off.
I greatly appreciate what I would refer to as the "advanced user" comments regarding gift cards. I will use the checking account method for my credit cards since I pay my credit cards in full every month.
I hate to do what amounts to a "workaround" on what YNAB has intended; however, I need my accounts to balance and I like to purchase gift cards to obtain fuel savings points (I buy cards that I will use in the near future).
Perhaps YNAB would consider have an "Advanced User" section where a you'd be able to transfer funds from credit cards to gift cards as previously discussed by putting in a radio button into the software.Reply