New Color Scheme Lacks Contrast (Especially For Those With Color Blindness!)

The new color scheme simply doesn't work. The new colors not provide enough contrast. With my type of colorblindness, I can barely see the difference between the red & green. They actually look very much the same at a glance and I can really only spot the difference when I take a really close look. This is bad. Like really really bad.

Please don't make this the only option! You have literally broken a very important part of the design for a lot of people. Please revert ASAP until you can find a better design than this (or at least give us the choice in the settings!).

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  • Purple Admiral said:
    With the toolkit you just toggle on the features you want, click save, and restart your browser

     It isn't necessary to restart your browser: just refreshing/reloading the page will put the changes into effect.

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  • Molly McGuire said:
    Sometimes I get the feeling the developers get restless on their lunch hours when there's no projects pending,

     I doubt there are no projects pending ever: there must be a mile-long list of feature requests from users looking for improvements.

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    • JoeDid 

       

      I was speaking facetiously.  A number of people have mentioned this same re projects pending.  It's not the point.  The point is maybe there's actually too MANY projects pending involving things that dont need to be fixed.  Thanks for your reply.

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      JoeDid 

      JoeDid said:
       I doubt there are no projects pending ever: there must be a mile-long list of feature requests from users looking for improvements.

       If we make the simplifying assumption that all feature requests are routed to /dev/null, the list of projects is likely quite manageable.  History of product changes makes that assumption appear reasonable.

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    • Peter
    • Professional Designer, Web Developer
    • lasty
    • 6 mths ago
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    Hang on, am I reading all the comments from Support correctly? The development team researched and decided on these changes? From a professional UI design point of view I could have told you beforehand that your solution makes things worse for people with deuteranopia and protanopia. From a professional web development team lead point of view I can tell you that you don't let the development team decide on this without the guidance of an experienced interface designer.

    YNAB please hire somebody with a decent number of user interface design experience under their belt. YNAB seems to have been lacking in this area for some time now, and a change for the better never seems to come.

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      • Agent99
      • Working to Get Smart at budgeting, finances and life
      • Agent99.1
      • 6 mths ago
      • 1
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      Peter I absolutely agree!  YNAB needs a CUA and an Information Architect.   This is bad!

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  • I like the new color scheme...go figure. 

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  • My son is red/green colorblind as well and he confirmed that this is extremely difficult to differentiate, practically impossible for him.

    From a non-color blind perspective, the previous darker colors were much easier to see at a glance. 

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      • Herman
      • herman
      • 6 mths ago
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      Turquoise Cup  I'm curious if he finds the numbers easier to read in either color scheme?

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  • I feel the new coloring is harder to read, rather than easier. The text seems less bold than it was before, and there's less contrast instead of more. 

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  • Another color blind member here to provide feedback. The new color system is awful! 

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    • briefcase
    • A rack of ties, a travel mug, telephone, briefcase filled with papers
    • briefcase
    • 6 mths ago
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    Not everyone uses an apple laptop, either.  These colors look horrible on my monitors and all my PCs.

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      • Technicolor Cheetah
      • Not sure when I became a cheetah...but I'll run with it
      • technicolor_cheetah
      • 6 mths ago
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      briefcase 

      The new colors look awful on the apple laptops in my house.  

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  • I'm not keen on this new colour scheme but I can work with it. It is harder to distinguish the colours though and how they can say they have increased the contrast with these new colours I have no idea. I certainly would like the option of keeping the old colours as they do stand out much more clearly when you glance at them on the screen.

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  • What I don't get is why the YNAB product managers and designers didn't think that users should be offered choices? "Skinning" aka "Themeing" has been available for sites for a very long time. Wikipedia has several "official" skins, and many more unofficial ones. With CSS, it's not hard to make a selector for users to chose "themes". Just implement that, and let your users choose! Example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8796107/how-to-make-changeable-themes-using-css-and-javascript#8796160 Cheers!

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    • Jesse Adelman YNAB doesn't care about what their customers think, at all. 

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      Jesse Adelman There are no YNAB product managers.  Feature Requests are repeatedly said to go directly to the developers, though from the results it appears they go to /dev/null.  I think Jesse didn't hire anyone to manage the product and design, because he didn't need that function for YNAB 4.  Unfortunately, the programmer for YNAB 4 (who really understood budgeting and was great at communicating with users) is no longer with the company.

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      • bevocat
      • Sometimes, It Just Sucks to Be You
      • bevocat
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer I think that may be the single biggest problem right there. Well, not having a product manager is the single biggest problem, but after that would be that the YNAB 4 programmer left the company. I think maybe Jesse thinks he's the product manager since he started the company? But that's not how any of this works. No product manager worth their salt would allow these updates to go out without usability testing, nor allow them to go without a UX team, nor allow an update to happen that cannot be immediately rolled back. I know all this, and I've studiously avoided product/project management as a field of interest, so if I can't escape it, how have they managed to not get a clue-by-four when it's their job?!

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  • I like the new colours. Sorry.

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    • crinkles  Congratulations on not suffering from color blindness (or at least not red-green color blindness). Unfortunately, for the majority of us in this thread, its not a matter of "liking" the change. We simply CAN'T use it. It doesn't work for us. Imagine if they had decided that instead of red, green & orange, to just use green for all the "pills", regardless if they were over/under. Would you like the change then? Because that is effectively what they have done to those of us who suffer from color blindness.

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      • Herman
      • herman
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Stallion Actually I would prefer no colors at all but all green one color would be my second  choice.

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      • bevocat
      • Sometimes, It Just Sucks to Be You
      • bevocat
      • 6 mths ago
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      crinkles It's not a matter of what people like. The express purpose of the update was to address accessibility issues for people with color blindness. You'd think it would have occurred to them to maybe check with a handful of people with different types of color blindness before they sent it out into the wild to make sure it actually accomplished that, or at least didn't make it worse.

      I'd be fine if they had to change it to the butt-ugliest shades of burnt sienna, periwinkle and vermillipuce imaginable if that's what it took to achieve the accessibility needed.

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  • THIS!! I have a color blindness as well, and the color of the pills has always been my biggest complaint about YNAB. The new colors do NOT help at all. I cannot tell the difference in the color for the pills that are not red. 

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  • FLMark80 said:
    No. You are incorrect. They said they try to fix for colorblindness - more specifically the red/green colorblindness, which they failed.

     Honestly I don't really care if you think I'm right or not and the support people in this thread have done a terrible job explaining the change.  This is what they said directly from the blog post linked in the release notes:  

    "Over the last year, we’ve made a few small changes to the Available amounts to make them more accessible, as well. We added visual signals to the Available amounts to make it clear whether there was credit overspending or an underfunded goal. We also increased the size of the negative sign for overspent categories. Both of these changes help users with visual impairments easily scan their budget by relying less on a color-based signal.

    Today, we’re introducing some changes to the colors themselves used in the Available column.

    What’s changed? We significantly increased the contrast between the color of the background (the “pill”) and the text, while muting the background color. These changes increase the contrast in general, which makes the text easier to read for everyone.

    This is a very small change, and is coming first only to the web app. While this helps with readability, we still use red and green to send signals about Available amounts, which isn’t the ideal experience for anyone with red-green color blindness.

    As a part of some larger visual changes, we’re looking at how to send these signals in ways that don’t rely on color at all."

    There is nothing about this change that was intended to improve the ability of red/green color blind individuals to distinguish between the colors. 

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  • Just chiming in here that these color changes are terrible, and I still don't understand why they won't let us customize our experience when I know it's not that difficult to do. Isaac C. posted a lovely work-around that even lets us choose our own custom colors, but I think that after nearly ten years of YNABing, they are finally trying to force-feed me more than I can handle. 

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      TurtleSVS 

      I look at it as, YNAB is incenting me to learn how to write CSS code.

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      • TurtleSVS
      • TurtleSVS
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer  That is a very optimistic view to take, and after playing with Isaac's fix and the toolkit I'm feeling much better all of it. I'll likely go sourpuss again when they mess with the app! :)

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  • I respect what you are trying to do, but (for someone without any color blindness) you've broken or weakened a critical feature of the product. One of the strengths of the product was supposed to be that once organized, YNAB would quickly call out positives and negatives. This color means a problem, this color means a warning, and this color means available cash.

    With this change you've weakened the visual impact of each critical color and thus made the product harder to use. This should really be an option provided to the user.

    You are also requiring all of your users to "re-learn" how to use the product, for zero or questionable gain. Considering your product already requires a fair amount of learning or reorienting to use properly, this is a little obnoxious.

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  • I couldn't agree more. Please just add a setting to let us see the old colors. 

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  • ah ,that is better....

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  • I think there’s less contrast than before. I find it quite a bit harder to read. I’m not colour blind but I do have ‘older eyes’ (they were new when I got them!) and wear glasses. 

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  • My problem is not so much with the new colors, though the colors are making the real issue worse, which for me is the font. The font itself now doesn't have enough weight/contrast. Here's a screenshot of what I'm seeing vs what they posted.  I have to lean in and squint more now because the font is too thin to easily read against the new background colors.

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      • Lego
      • lego
      • 6 mths ago
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      andmade I agree. I see what you see on the left. The font is too light.

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      • lindsay_g
      • Beige_Banjo.3
      • 6 mths ago
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      andmade Yep, that's what I said (well, it's what I meant, you said it better!). There is LESS contrast, not more, and consequently it's harder to make out the text.

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  • Faness Nicole Just now, I spent way too much time trying to find the problem with my budget only to realize I was overlooking an overspent category because the new colors are not visible. This has got to change.

    So where is our feedback? You both just completely stopped responding in this post. And why is this taking so long? It should not have taken more than 1 meeting at YNAB HQ to figure you made a huge mistake with this change.  The evidence is too overwhelming for an even halfway reasonable person to think otherwise.

    This update should have been backed out days ago. Why hasn't it been? Is the strategy here to just keep telling us "we're listening to the feedback and well evaluate our plans" and hope we eventually just give up? And why are you sticking with a change when its clear you got it 100% wrong? 

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    • Forest Green Stallion YNAB has shown, again and again, that they literally do not care about customer feedback. As long as they keep growing and selling more of their product, they'll keep ignoring valid complaints about their ever worsening product. 

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Stallion 

      The responses on this issue would be comforting . . . if I hadn't seen similar responses to just about every issue for the last year.  They're working on it, they're going to roll out something that works for everyone, submit a Feature Request.  And what do we get?  API.  Zapier integration.  New icons that no one asked for.  Color changes that no one asked for.  And the ultimate irony, in the days following customer complaints about the colors, two "sight unseen" improvements.

      The answer from YNAB is, status quo will exist for an extended period while the issues are investigated and a solution is developed.  I expect the next visible change we see to YNAB will be something totally unrelated to anything customers have been asking for.

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      • bevocat
      • Sometimes, It Just Sucks to Be You
      • bevocat
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead!

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      • JoeDid
      • Remember: It is To Laugh
      • Purple_rain
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      bevocat It's just overwhelmingly baffling why they haven't simply reversed this fiasco, until they figured out a better solution,

      <r> What's the point of keeping this screw-up, instead of backing it out? </r>

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    • Patzer Exactly. Things customers want being ignored while things nobody asked for are rolled out is the YNAB way. Add in a healthy dose of condescension and false promises, and you've literally got their entire customer service handbook in two short sentences.

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      • Superbone
      • YNAB convert since 2008
      • Superbone
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer Not to mention, they broke their Net Worth "change in net worth" display (can no longer scroll and see the older entries) a couple weeks ago and still have not fixed it. So they're even breaking things without fixing them for long periods of time.

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
      • 6 mths ago
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      Superbone I hadn't noticed that, because my net worth lives in Quicken.  Fallback plan, if YNAB breaks too much stuff, is:  stop paying the subscription, track and report from Quicken, use a chopped-down budget program for budgeting.  I could make it work.  It would be less convenient than YNAB . . . assuming YNAB doesn't break enough stuff to lower the bar to where it's as easy to ignore YNAB as use it.

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      • Superbone
      • YNAB convert since 2008
      • Superbone
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer Fortunately for me, the Toolkit Net Worth report is better anyway. To be honest, I rarely even look at the stock reports anymore. HappyDance alerted me to the issue and I checked it out and sure enough, it was broken.

      But yes, we've been doing this YNAB-style budgeting for so long that we could recreate it using other tools if necessary. I'd rather not have to do that so I hope YNAB's glacier speed development doesn't move too much in the wrong direction and hit the Titanic.

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      • Superbone
      • YNAB convert since 2008
      • Superbone
      • 6 mths ago
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      Patzer Speaking of Quicken, I tried it last year for the first time in probably 15 years and it was a disaster for me. It failed so many times just during setup and in bad ways that I abandoned it. User friendly, it is not. I did go back to Personal Capital though for a more detailed look at my investments. It's working better for me this time around since my company changed 401K providers.

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
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      Superbone I don't know if I'd be able to set Quicken up from scratch.  I've always just carried my basic data structure forward, since 1993 or so; though I have chopped the data file down for size and performance.

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    • Faness Nicole Seriously? Not even a reply?

      You realize I pay good money for this product, right? Too much money in fact. And this is the level of service we/I get for resolving something that is 100% YNAB's fault? Ridiculous.

      THIS.CHANGE.NEEDS.TO.BE.BACKED.OUT. You completely messed up here. I realize that some designer in your team is probably fighting for this to stay because they think it looks better and more stylish, but that's some BS. You have significantly reduced the usability of your product for the sake of aesthetics. And its not even a "maybe". You have objectively 100% made a mistake. So why then are you are, 10 FULL DAYS LATER, still using this broken "update"? I would like to hear one valid reason why this change has not been backed out. Just give me one good, honest reason please.

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      • JoeDid
      • Remember: It is To Laugh
      • Purple_rain
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Stallion I'd like a reason, too, and the change doesn't even affect me. If it did, I'd be reallllly PO'd.

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    • Forest Green Stallion Faness is on vacation for a few more days and I'm monitoring this thread for new questions, as we don't have any new information or timelines to share at this moment. 

      Since the changes both impacted some users negatively and some users positively, reverting back can't be the solution. We'll have to make adjustments and allow more options for customization. 

      Our team is working quickly to resolve the issues brought about by the color change, but also balancing that speed with heavy testing. If you haven't already, please do email in to [email protected] to let our team know that you've been impacted by the changes.

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      • nolesrule
      • YNAB4 Evangelist
      • nolesrule
      • 6 mths ago
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      Veronica at YNAB No, you roll it back until you come up with the proper solution. For the people who saw an improvement, it was not unusable before. But you've made it unusable for a lot of people now. You have to put it back in a state of being usable for everyone until you solve the issue.

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    • Veronica at YNAB That's pathetic. This BROKE the product for a huge number of your users and all you've done is confirm that your staff is so incompetent/uncaring that they can't undo an obvious mistake. The customer service at YNAB is a joke and you guys honestly shouldn't have jobs. You absolutely will not be getting my money ever again.

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      • ChicagoFlyer
      • Making the best of what's around
      • chicgoflyr
      • 6 mths ago
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      Veronica at YNAB I sort of like the new color scheme, but that doesn't matter becuase it made it at best harder to apply the method and at worst completely unusable for others. 

      Veronica at YNAB said:
      Our team is working quickly to resolve the issues brought about by the color change, but also balancing that speed with heavy testing.

      This makes absolutely no sense. You clearly didn't do "heavy testing" with colorblind users in the first place while claiming the color change was for them. The lack of response (or the constant "make a feature request" or "email help" response with a smiley face) on things like stealing from the future, etc. are frustrating, but, like Forest Green Lightning  said, this is just pathetic.

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
      • Patzer
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      Veronica at YNAB 

      Veronica at YNAB said:
      Since the changes both impacted some users negatively and some users positively, reverting back can't be the solution.

       So if an airline changes from pretzels to peanuts, and some customers really like peanuts better, they can't change back in the face of other customers who find the serving of peanuts makes the airline unusable in the face of their allergies? 

      Seriously, this isn't how business works in other industries.  The colors don't affect me, but the attitude has me looking for ways to stop paying YNAB any money.  The budget is mission-critical; but that doesn't mean there can't be an alternative budget vendor if the best current budget vendor insists on continual product degradation and refuses to admit mistakes.

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      • Technicolor Cheetah
      • Not sure when I became a cheetah...but I'll run with it
      • technicolor_cheetah
      • 6 mths ago
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      Veronica at YNAB 

      But you didn't even test the color scheme with the people you were supposedly trying to help!  The change did not help anyone.  I've found about 3 people who like the colors.  They like the colors, they don't find them easier to use the app.  I have seen dozens and dozens of people who hate the changes, a dozen or more people with various color blindness or weak eyes for whom the change has made using the program almost impossible.

       I find the "heavy testing" thing to be implausible when you're not even pretending to pass these 'improvements' past any beta testers for feedback before rolling out changes.  You should not roll updates on unproven changes.  People should have to opt-in to be beta testers, not forced to accept changes they didn't ask for that aren't making things better for the majority of users.  As it is, every last user is a beta tester and you're not listening when we tell you your changes don't work for us.  

      You're not listening.  You say, "Email help, put in a ticket," but you're just ignoring the users and our feedback.  You can't prove that you're working for us right now, that your support is committed to supporting the user.  All we hear and see is that you're committed to backing up the status quo of doing whatever the heck you want regardless of if it's actually a useful change.  All you're doing is proving the status quo is broken.  

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      Veronica at YNAB Since the changes both impacted some users negatively and some users positively, reverting back can't be the solution.

      This is a beyond belief statement.  The changes literally broke the program for many color blind people.  For some, it made it harder to use (I fall in that category).  Yes, a few people liked the changes.  But, those people were already using the existing program.  And they were able to use the existing program.  You don't use the fact they like the change as a reason to just smash the program for other people.  This is so arrogant and dismissive of customers. 

      I have used YNAB for years, back to the Excel days.  I shouldn't be surprised at any horrible decisions YNAB makes, but this is actually beyond belief.

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    • Veronica at YNAB 

       as we don't have any new information or timelines to share at this moment. 

      Lets be frank here...you have PAYING users who literally can not use the product properly. YNAB should be communicating with us daily. Instead, yours is the first response from anyone in the team in days (and even it only came after I chased Faness and Nicole for a reply. Not to be to blunt about it, but that's just unacceptable.

      Since the changes both impacted some users negatively and some users positively, reverting back can't be the solution. 

      I'm sorry, but there are only a handful of people here praising the change. I would put it at 10-20 to 1 in favor of "negatively impacted". And MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, of those that were "positively impacted" , it mostly boils down to "I like the change...looks prettier/nicer". Meanwhile, for those of us who were "negatively impacted", it has significantly downgraded our ability to use a product we pay quite a bit of money for. I am all for fairness, but putting some users preferences about product attractiveness over other users ability to flat out use the product they pay for is not being fair. Reverting back until you are ready to roll out a proper fix is more than reasonable (and quite frankly, a pretty common approach for changes they have been bungled as badly as this one has been).

      We'll have to make adjustments and allow more options for customization. 

      Probably the first reasonable thing I have seen said in this thread by anyone from the YNAB team, and its certainty the first concrete bit of feedback about what is being done, so thank you. When are these customizable options coming then? I really hope ASAP. Many of us are struggling to use a product that we depend on.

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      • Herman
      • herman
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      Forest Green Stallion the best way to get your message across would be to cancel your subscription.  

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    • Veronica at YNAB Has anyone at your entire company shown Jesse how pissed off the majority of your users are with the pathetic attempt at customer service and the clearly inept programming skills of your dev team?

      If not, I suggest you do and I'll be one of the many not renewing the next time that bill comes around.

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      • bevocat
      • Sometimes, It Just Sucks to Be You
      • bevocat
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Lightning The crazy part is, they seem to have just absorbed a whole cadre of refugees from Mvelopes when they massively screwed up with a new release, and this is their first real opportunity to see how YNAB treats customer feedback.  Hopefully many of them are still within their trial period so they can dodge the bullet and keep looking for something else that meets their needs.

      Me? I'm actually considering spinning Mint back up in a fit of insouciance and seeing what it would take to make it work.

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    • bevocat I'm tinkering with Mint as well. That, the free version of Everydollar, and the tool my credit union has built into their site are all on the table at the moment.

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      • ynaber2613
      • ynaber2613
      • 6 mths ago
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      Forest Green Stallion I'm in the camp of liking the new colors but I also liked the old colors as well.  YNAB should indeed roll back the color change to the way it was  until they come up with configurable settings for everyone.  They do seem to have a arrogance about them in not providing benefits to all customers.  We have been asking for basic functionality fixes (stealing from future, restore a previous backup...) for years now and nothing.

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  • I would just like to share a screen shot of some changes I made using toolkit options that others might not know about. I recently saw some of these options in a screen shot someone else posted and I'm glad I did!

    • Blue "pill" for monthly goal not yet met with the little clock icon
      • In toolkit select "Goal Indicator Warning Color"
    • Green, bold positive balances with no background
      • In toolkit select "Unhighlight all Positive Category Balances"
    • Red is overspent category - this is default
    • Yellow is overspent credit card spending with icon - this is default

    I also increased the zoom on that website and it helped me see the numbers more clearly. On my computer (PC, using Chrome) on the website I hit the CTRL button and use the scroll on my mouse to zoom in or out. I saved as a favorite and the browser remembers how much you have zoomed in and keeps it that way! 

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      • Patzer
      • Retired at age 60. Thank you, YNAB!
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      Purple Admiral 

      For a long time, I wished the Toolkit would let me turn off the budget goal pill entirely.  It doesn't tell me anything useful on the budget page, and if I really need that information it's in the Inspector.   I also dislike the distinction between credit overspending and cash overspending; overspending needs to be fixed, regardless of how it's spent.  But mostly, there are too many different things screaming for attention in the Available column.  Attention-getting flags work best if they're sparse and used for the really important stuff.

      So what do I need?  Clear, visible text.  Solid black on white is good.  An indication of overspending.  Red negative numbers on white is good enough.  The last round of color changes, with a starter batch of CSS code from Isaac C.  motivated me to seek that.  So here's a piece of a test budget with a bunch of category states.  Note the clutter of all the attention-grabbing colors and icons in the "before," compared to the simplicity of just red overspending needing attention in the "after."

      To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy: 

      If you publish a web application, and your customers find it necessary to create a 3rd party app changing its appearance, you might have a UI problem.

      If you publish a web application, and many of the answers to common requests from new customers are, "Use the 3rd party app that changes appearance," you might have a UI problem.

      If you publish a web application, change its appearance, and customers immediately start teaching each other CSS coding so they can change the appearance of your application, you might have a UI problem.

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    • Patzer Personally I like the budget goal pill, because I fill my goals with different paychecks during the month so it helps me visualize what needs attention when I am budgeting. And for our situation, our credit overspending are both reimbursement accounts so I prefer the yellow vs. red for that.

      I think the point we are both proving is, THE PEOPLE WANT OPTIONS! 

      😊

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      • Superbone
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      • Superbone
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      Purple Admiral Thanks for the reminder. I had turned off the "Goal Indicator Warning Color" option because at first, it clashed with the new YNAB color scheme. I just did my June budget and needed to WAM quite a few of my Monthly Goal categories leaving a lot of that ugly yellow in my budget. Much better with the baby blue although I'd prefer nothing for this case as I'm just using the goal as a monthly template.

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      • Patzer
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      • Patzer
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      Superbone "Nothing" for the yellow goal nag is good.  That's what I settled on.

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      • lindsay_g
      • Beige_Banjo.3
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      Purple Admiral That is SO much clearer - thank you!

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    • Patzer well said sir!

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  • Veronica at YNAB said:
    the changes both impacted some users negatively and some users positively,

     I have to agree with Technicolor Cheetah. It seems as though there have been dozens of complaints, both from people with color blindness issues, and those without, whereas there might be a half-dozen or so who have said they "like the new colors," which is not to say the new colors help them. This is really absurd. Again: for the record, I don't any color-related sight problems, but I've gone out of my way to remove the new color scheme because it makes seeing line items worse.

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  • I think the new colors are great. My eyesight is excellent. Ignoring the fact that people who have color-vision related disability can’t see them is arrogant and abilist. I also like stairs. I can climb them. But my building has an elevator because some people can’t climb stairs and it doesn’t matter how much the rest of us like and use the stairs. 

    Relying on the fact that some of us like the change as the explanation is cowardice and you may not use my opinion as an excuse for bad design that actively makes the product worse for people with a disability. That anyone would suggest that is an acceptable reponse is insulting to all of us. 

    Roll the change back. 

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  • I don't have vision problems beyond glasses-corrected poor eyesight, but the new scheme is harder to read. I not sure how white on a bold starkly different color has less contrast than a non-white color on a lighter version of the same color. Also not sure how much heavy testing could have been done if the comment that these new color combinations don't even pass some  Web AIM standards is true...

    I used the solution Isaac C.  posted to go back to the other scheme, which works great, but people shouldn't have to install extensions and custom themes to make using the product possible, especially if it's as a result of a change made to previous behavior. 

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  • What other similar budgeting programs are out there?  Its time to start looking!  Any possible recommendations?

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      • monkeyhanger
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      Cadet Blue Beat From what I've read elsewhere on forums, no.

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    • Cadet Blue Beat The only thing that's really close is Dave Ramsey's Everydollar app, and it's more expensive with fewer options.

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