Make Credit Card categories reflect reality

Greetings,

I made the leap from Classic to the new YNAB in January and I don't think I handled the credit card purchases / category correctly.

My desire is to have the credit cards I carry debt on show that I am carrying debt, if it went up or down and and not show that I have a bunch of money to transfer to the cards when I don't. 

In other words, at the end of January every transaction that I had used a credit card had automatically moved into the budget category for CC payment. 

How can I a) make the starting month reflect actual debt and b) move forward so that when I do make a purchase on a CC that I will not pay in full show that.   I want to see the Orange / Red budget amounts when they are indeed true.

I am certain that I used YNAB Classic incorrectly as I invented my own methods with Classic, and am willing to use the new version the way it is designed but need some clarity so that I can prevent YNAB from assuming I am going to pay every CC purchase each month.

Thanks

Fred

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  • I've only been using YNAB for two months, and don't know what Classic looked like. But, the way that YNAB handles credit cards is one of my favorite things, and part of the reason I was willing to pay after the trial period. The whole thing is designed to keep you from adding to debt (or at least alert you if you are doing so).

    If you want to add debt, but still have the number be green because you planned it that way, you can budget for it in the credit card category. Do a transaction for 100, then put -100 as the budgeted amount for that card. You're accounting for the fact that you intended to go backward on the card. That money will go back to "to be budgeted", you'll be green, and you won't be making payments you don't have money for.

    But then, more I think about it, how do you budget money into categories if you don't have money to send to the card? It seems like you must be budgeting money you don't have?

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    • FreshStart My assumption is the money isn't in the budget to begin with? But new YNAB should account for that, if your over spent in a budget category it doesn't put that money to the credit card. So really you should subtract the money you don't plan on putting to the CC first and then just in the budget only put how much money you actually plan on putting to the cards and letting it remain overspent. But that does seem counter-intuitive to everything YNAB stands for.

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  • Why would you not want budgeted money to be reserved for paying back the card? You incur interest for everything you buy that you don't pay back right away, so if you've budgeted money for the thing you bought, the best use of those budgeted funds is to pay the card. Especially since if you are continuing to use a card that has carried debt, he interest has begun to accrue from the moment you charged the item. 

    If you really feel like you need those dollars elsewhere after considering that, you can do one of two things--move the dollars from the CC payment category to where you want them, or reduce the budget in the category you spent from. Any credit overspending automatically creates debt. Similarly, reducing the amount you are able to pay means that more debt will accrue. 

    In the inspector, you'll see the carried debt on the card expressed as the amount which will remain on the card after you send all the money in the category. It reads "If you pay [category balance] your account balance will be $X.XX and you will have reduced your debt by $Y.YY. " The account balance is the remaining debt you will carry if you make the payment you've set aside. Adjust that payment to your hearts content. 

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  • Thanks for the replies. I decided to go back to the beginning and look for information in the training videos. The closest I have found to teaching me what I need to know has been this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACY3ge6VdA Budgeting when you're broke.

    Most of the training I have found tries to reinforce the idea that you are either paying off your balance entirely or paying off this months transactions as is best practice, but doesn't show you the "what if you don't" scenario.   When I accrue new debt, I want to see it in YNAB and the way it works seems to obfuscate it.

    This has helped me realize what I have been doing wrong (all these years with YNAB classic) and clarify my current question.

    First what I have been doing wrong:

    1)  I have been using YNAB to forecast and filling my entire budget out before the money is actually there. 

    2)  At the end of each month I would change the budgeted amount in every category to the exact amount I'd spent in each category

    This worked fairly well in that it kept me paying attention and shows me what I did, and helped me make progress financially in the past, but misunderstanding they way CC transactions are handled in the new YNAB,  I ended up with a huge "Available to budget" amount in each CC category even though there is no actual money avaiblle and all the budgeted amounts are zeroed out.

    Now that I know how YNAB wants me to use it, the questions are: 

    How do I go back to those categories (only two months) and remove the available to budget amount so I can start clean this month?

    How can I make YNAB show me that when I pay for something on a CC and go over my budgeted payment amount,  I accrued more debt and not add money to the CC payment category?

    Thanks,

    Fred

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      Fred Macondray  your explanation explains a lot of your confusion! :)  Fortunately it's relatively easy to start using the software the correct way. 

       First, make sure all of your accounts reconcile.  Match the cleared balance in YNAB to the cleared balance at your bank. 

      Then, use the "set available amounts to zero"  to move all remaining money to TBB. At that point, you should have  a green "to be budgeted" with a balance equal to the sum of all of your on budget positive accounts (the ones that aren't credit cards)

       You can also just choose to do a fresh start by clicking on the name of your budget.  This will silo all of your existing records in a separate budget, but it will allow you to start completely from scratch  which can also be refreshing and helpful.  Either way, you will generate a brand new TBB number  that represents all the cash you actually have on hand right now. 

      Begin with that number, and budget money according to where you need it between now and when you will get paid next.  When you reach zero at the top, stop.  You don't have anymore cash, and that means you can't budget any more. 

       Now, when you spend, if you're spending on a credit card and money is budgeted, the money will move to the credit card payment category.  If there's not enough money budgeted, you will immediately accrue more debt   and only the amount which actually has cash backing it will move to the payment category.  So if you have $20 budgeted and you spend 50 $20 will move and you will be $30 overspent. 

       Generally, however, regardless of whether the money is budgeted or not, it's a bad idea to continue buying things on a credit card that is already carrying a balance.  It is cheaper  to use a check card  because no interest will accrue between the time that you buy the item and when you pay it back.  Think carefully about that issue as you decide which payment method to use.  Credit does not have very many advantages over a check card in this situation.  So if you have the money budgeted, and you are spending less than you have budgeted, use your check card.  Only use the credit card when you know you are going to have to overspend the amount that you budgeted,  and be very honest with yourself about whether or not you really need to pay for that thing right now  or if it can wait until you have more money. 

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  • Greetings and thanks for your reply.

    I have elected to do a Fresh Start and resist the temptation to fix it in order to fully understand.

    I would, however like some help clarifying the results of some test transactions I am playing with.

    I put in $50 in groceries from a checking account and $50 in groceries on a CC.

    When I have nothing in the groceries category, the available shows overspending of $100 and nothing on the CC.

    If I put $50 in the groceries category, the available shows -$50, but still nothing on the CC.

    As soon as I put $100 in groceries, the $50 shows up in CC activity and shows i have $50 set aside to pay the CC.

    I can't get my brain around the fact that the card doesn't show any activity until I budget in the category I spent in.

    Thanks in advance,

    Fred

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      Fred Macondray the card category "activity" is what money is moving in and out of that category.  So if you spend, and there's no money there to back it up, you will see activity in the category you spent from (groceries) but no money is moving to the card payment category because there's no money budgeted there. So no activity in that category. 

      In the case of a debit and credit split, YNAB uses the budgeted money toward the debit purchase first. If you think about this, you can see why--a debit purchase removes money from your account right now, whereas a credit charge obligates you to pay money later. Though you should try to have all your purchases budgeted of course, you could in theory fix the credit card payment before it is due with new income. So to make sure that you don't come up short in checking, YNAB always uses your budgeted money toward checking transactions first. Only after it has covered checking transactions does it begin reserving budgeted money to pay back your card. So when you do $50 credit $50 checking with only $50 budgeted, the $50 budgeted covers the $50 checking, and no money moves to pay back the card. When you have $100 budgeted, there is money available to cover the $50 credit transaction, and it moves...creating the "activity" update in the payment category as it does. 

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