Support for YNAB 4 will end October 2019
If you're using the new, web-based version of YNAB, this message does not apply to you.
We released YNAB 4 seven years ago, and we’ve loved hearing all of your success stories over the years. YNAB 4 was a great product, and it’s been an honor to be able to support it far longer than we anticipated. However, Apple recently announced its newest Operating System, called Catalina, will not support 32-bit apps.
YNAB 4 is most definitely a 32-bit app, meaning if you upgrade your Mac to Catalina, YNAB 4 will not open.
Because our support team uses primarily Macs, the Catalina upgrade means they will no longer be equipped to open, access, or troubleshoot for YNAB 4, even if you are using a device other than a Mac. This news forced us to make some hard decisions.
As of October 31, 2019, we will no longer be able to support YNAB 4.
Don’t worry, your budget data is safe and there are several ways you can access or use it moving forward. Head to the blog for more details and please do reach out to us if you have further questions.
Turquoise Cheetah said:
it won't work with Catalina. So this means I can't update my operating system until I can find a suitable YNAB4 replacement
Mojave has security updates for another two years. I suspect Crossover/WINE will get the issue fixed by then.
Reviews about Catalina seem to be less than excited, anyway.
My 15 yr old son on the other hand, already has half the macs in the house upgrading as we speak.
Sounds like my son (he's 17).
Thanks for the Banktivity suggestion. It was one I tried for a while between the time I gave up on nYNAB and then went back to YNAB4 because I couldn't find anything better. I recall not liking the budgeting system much. It does have envelopes, but I recall having to click through multiple screens to make simple changes of moving funds from one category to another, whereas in YNAB it is intuitively simple. I suppose I can get used to extra clicks if I have to -- funny how spoiled I am after all these years of having something that just works.
Really disappointed. Moving to SaaS might suit you because it makes development easier, but it's a fundamental change to the customer relationship, in which we did not get a say.
Using your software to capture and manage my financial data on my machine - fine. Handing you the management and security of my financial data - not fine, and not something I would ever do.
I'm a data management specialist, I have no idea how good and secure your data centre is, I'm sure you've done your best, but I will put money on there being risks that you are not aware of, because you're software developers, not data experts. This is software which *should* run locally - because it gathers sensitive personal data - unless there's an exceptional reason to put it online. There is no way I will be using an online service for my financial data, and imo neither should anyone else.
This is software which *should* run locally - because it gathers sensitive personal data - unless there's an exceptional reason to put it online.
FWIW, that "exceptional reason" is to allow access from beyond a single computer. The "market" was highly in favor of being able to access their budget from their work computers (without admin rights).
Yes, I'm aware there are other solutions (and used them on the prior, non-cloud version to access securely from anywhere), but YNAB made their choice to exclude users such as yourself that feel strongly about this subject. There are far more potential users who don't care.
So since classic.youneedabudget.com is gone without warning, I'm assuming that the YNAB 4 install file and key lookup will still be available via support, like the YNAB Classic Android app is? I'm pretty sure Catalina didn't break the ability to email someone an executable.
Thanks everyone--I wanted to list the link someone on the ynab forum posted :
Going to make a go of YNAB4 until it will no longer run for me--I was another one who mistakenly believed the new version would remain the introductory price point of $45 for all V4 subscribers whenever I wanted to return to budgeting and there would be a desktop version. It is still too steep for my budget while I am trying to climb out of debt.
We have a dedicated User Accounts support team
If you have dedicated support teams, why was no one able or willing to make the desktop app that was promised in 2015? That is all I wanted. I paid for the subscription for 2 years waiting for the desktop app to come, until I finally realized it was never coming. I don't understand why the company keeps growing and expanding, while basically abandoning longtime customers who would probably be pretty easy to keep with just a little effort on your part. It would have taken so little to keep me onboard, but the lack of honesty and appearance of greed is really off-putting . I cannot understand how companies, upon becoming successful, stop caring about the people who helped get them there. I have seen other small businesses make the same mistake. Your oldest customers should be considered a valuable asset.
run it in a Windows emulator.
I wonder if Crossover would work? Is that what you mean by windows emulator? I have not used Crossover for many years so I have no idea how far it's come, just that it's still around and still being updated.
I once tried having Windows installed through Bootcamp (or whatever it's called) but found the hassle wasn't worth it. Not only do you have to own/purchase Windows, but you also have to switch over to a partitioned drive to use it, so it actually makes the MacOS temporarily unavailable. I got tired of having to use just one system or the other.
Turquoise Cheetah said:
I don't understand why the company keeps growing and expanding, while basically abandoning longtime customers
Always more fish in the sea. Plus, some old fish like the new bait. It is still the best product that is currently available. Only time will tell if they stay that way.
Not quite the right topic, but as it relates to 'Classic' things - has the original forum (forum.youneedabudget.com) been closed as well now? Admittedly I haven't been on either forum that much in the last few months... but seems a shame if all the info within has flashed into the ether too?
I recognise nolesrule and WordTenor from the old place - anyone know The Craic?
I was one of the serious holdouts when nYNAB was released. I started using YNAB4 in 2014 and really embraced the rules and principles as if they were my own children.
When nYNAB was released and it was announced that support was ending for YNAB4 I joined in with the crowd of haters because of the new rules and many features I loved gone (for good after Jesse dropped the hammer). I was so distraught that, as a sr devl, I started writing my own version of YNAB and after spending months of work on it, finally conceded to the fact that I just couldn't get it right and then got annoyed that I couldn't get the iOS app to integrate properly without investing money into the hosting side of the software and finally abandoned ship.
Enter 2017.. I finally decided to give it an honest try. I migrated everything to nYNAB (at the time) and decided to spend time on getting to know it better. I suppose the selling point for me at the time was the whole management of credit cards.. in the past I had none and always PIF... 2017 wasn't the case as I went deeply into debt and YNAB/Goals/Classes/Support really helped me out of a bind... I'm now a convert.. I love everything about "YNAB".. The gaps I perceived as problematic were not that big of a deal and found better ways of managing my money.. I wouldn't dream of going back to the old method/software.
I hope holdouts give it a honest shot..