YNAB 4.x 64-bit or 32-bit?
Can someone tell me if YNAB 4 is a 32-bit or a 64-bit app? If it's 32-bit, are there any plans to release a 64-bit version? I'm currently running YNAB 4.3.855 on a Mac and my understanding is the latest Mac OS (High Sierra) is probably the last version that will support 32-bit apps.
p.s. - I have no interest in the new web-based version.
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You'll find better answers about version 4 on the classic forum, forum.youneedabudget.com . There are some YNAB enthusiasts there who are also developers and can give you good advice about keeping legacy software running.Reply
Hey Navy Blue Boat , I thought I'd add a little more context here since I have some more information now. First of all, WordTenor is right, you might find some help in the classic forum on how to keep the legacy software running. So check that out!
Since you've already heard that Apple will stop supporting 32-bit apps like YNAB 4 Classic in 2018, and that the High Sierra version of OSX will be the last version of their OS to fully support 32-bit apps, here's what that means for YNAB 4.
This change means that YNAB 4 Classic should continue functioning for now, and continue to work in the High Sierra (10.13) OS for the foreseeable future. Updates after that are likely to compromise YNAB 4's functionality, and might even make it impossible to use.
As you can imagine, we can't prevent Apple from going this route, and we will not be updating YNAB 4 to a 64-bit app. We’ve been happy to offer support for YNAB 4 Classic for nearly two years since our web launch, including an update in mid-2017 to allow cloud sync to continue working.
As a YNAB 4 user, you have a couple of options when the new Mac OS update is released next year:
- You could check out what help there is on the Classic Forums to keep your app running.
- You can choose not to update your Mac OS (at least temporarily) and continue to use YNAB 4.
(I know you've mentioned disinterest in the web version, but that's still an option if you'd like to trial it for free at that time)
Let me know if you have any questions about all of this! We're wanting to make sure the transition is as smooth as possible for you!Reply
I don't share the understanding nature of the previous poster. I am quite irate at the lack of support for your software.
Since I have been a YNAB customer and evangelist from the Excel spreadsheet days until the subscription based fiasco, I feel I have a right to vent my frustrations and disappointment with YNAB's lack of concern for long time customers.
I have paid full price for each version of the software as it has come out until the latest version which changed to subscription based (and dramatically increased the yearly cost of budgeting) because I believe that the software license was worth the money. Even though I have never had much money in my budget since I got my first job 20 years ago, I always coughed up the money because I believe in budgeting and I believed YNAB actually cared for its customers (not just those with extra money or those they can dupe into believing that $6.99/mo is a great price).
My frustration started with said overpriced subscription fee. First of all the previous software license cost $60 (which I still think is overpriced, but I was willing to pay it and happy with the software). Now the subscription costs $85 every year. So, after switching I have to keep paying this irresponsible extra fee just to allow me to continue being responsible with the rest of my money. To me this just shows a shift from being the customer-centric company they were with YNAB 3 and 4 to an entitled "this price and payment structure makes it easier for us to run our business so you customers should just swallow whatever we give you" attitude.
Needless to say I have not and will not ever pay your subscription fee for the right to budget. That being said I was completely content to continue using the trusty, dusty YNAB 4 software that made my life easier in budgeting my finances.
Now, when I found out that Apple was discontinuing support for 32-bit software soon I checked all of my apps to see if any were still 32-bit. Lo and behold only one was still using the outdated 32-bit, YNAB 4. In 2007 Apple computers were all equipped with 64-bit processors and in 2011 Mac OS X Lion was released as a fully 64-bit OS. YNAB 4 arrived in 2012. Why in the world was it not 64-bit when it arrived? And why in the next several years did it not become 64-bit? And now that 32-bit support is ending in macOS why is YNAB not willing to extend the life of YNAB 4 by simply converting it to 64-bit (like it should have been from the start)?Reply
I am using YNAB for more than 5 years now and I am very happy with it. It made planning a lot easier. But to read this reply is very sad. I am not sure how expensive it would be to upgrade the app from 32-bit to 64-bit but this would be the very last update needed for the software.
There is absolutely no way I am going to use YNAB not because I find it too expensive but for me it is the wrong subscription model. I am willing to support the developers of the software I am using but it need to satisfy the cost-benefit ratio.
Just an example: YNAB is a tool that helps me organize my finances but does not save me any money. It just makes it a lot easier to keep an overview on all the money. Yet it would be almost $90 a year. In comparison: Jetbrains offers programming tools I have to use at work and that are essential to earn my money in the first place. However I do only pay $90 for it.
For me it feels like I have to pay the same money for a smaller, far less significant tool.
About the subscription model: Just take a look at the model Jetbrains introduced for their programming software. Instead of having to pay to USE the software, you are paying Jetbrains to be able to UPGRADE the software. Let's say you paid $90 for version 2.0 and your subscription ends after one year. You are still able to use the software as long as you want! But you stay at version 2.0 until you pay again to upgrade to version 3.0 or whatever new version is available.
This is actually a subscription model I do understand and support because upgrades are work that developers have done. For YNAB? I would have to pay you until eternity and you could just sit back and relax because I have to pay you anyway no matter what you are doing. This is a business practice I will not support.
You have lost a loyal user and potential long-term customer.Reply
I totally agree with Steel Blue Sound. I have always purchased the classic YNAB from the very beginning of YNAB startup. I believed that if I invested in the company there would be a loyalty to customers. Now with the monthly subscription and the disinterest in long term loyal customers I can see where I have become disposable to YNAB, and the lack of support for Classic offline YNAB. How sad to see what the company has become.Reply
We understand this is a sore subject and we're sorry that Apple's decision to no longer support the app has left you feeling under valued. We still appreciate and care about our YNAB 4 users and the program itself will work for as long as your computer supports it.
Official support for YNAB 4 ended in 2017. We still answer any and all questions we can because we're here to help and we want the program to work for you! Even after official support ended, our developers still released an update to keep YNAB 4 compatible with Dropbox. However, the conversion from 32-bit to 64-bit is too large of an update for a program that we no longer support.
There are workarounds for this issue. A user mentioned running a Windows simulator on their Mac in order to continue using the program, since Apple is the only one phasing out 32-bit programs.
We understand this is an inconvenience and we also understand the new YNAB isn't for everyone. We wanted YNAB 4 to work well into the distant future, and it still should for the Windows OS, but Apple's decision to no longer support certain apps has created a hurdle too large for YNAB 4.Reply
We understand this is an inconvenience and we also understand the new YNAB isn't for everyone. We wanted YNAB 4 to work well into the distant future, and it still should for the Windows OS, but Apple's decision to no longer support certain apps has created a hurdle too large for YNAB 4.
Are there any plans in the works to make it more "for everyone?" YNAB4 brought a lot of value for its $60 price tag. For the subscription of the current software, it ought to at least provide features that power users of YNAB find valuable. While there are a lot of good features in the web version, the problems and lack of certain features that still exist now 2.5 years into the life of product presents a level of frustration in a lot of users that could frankly be avoided altogether.Reply
By the way, this question has not been fully answered and should not be marked as such.
Yes, one could create a partition on their Mac with Windows, although I imagine at some point even Windows will upgrade such to have issues with 32-bit apps.
But there needs to be a way to access YNAB via desktop. I thought that was supposed to be part of the nYNAB feature set??????Reply
After purchasing YNAB 4 for Mac a few years ago, and using it some and then not, I was inspired to come back start using it again (thank you WireCuter). Come to find out that you've not only moved to a subscription only model, but now only support a web model - no longer supporting a native app.
I hate, but can understand, the subscription model.
But web only? Deal breaker for me. If you supported the YNAB 4 on the Mac and moved it to 64-bit (cause Mojave will kill 32-bit apps), I might continue using it.
But I will not post all my financial data on your website. I don't care how well you *think* you have it protected. We know, from all the compromised systems out there, that it's probably not enough.
Not letting me manage and keep control of my data, particularly for a budgeting program (you're not a bank) is, I think, a bad business decision, at least for the customer. I'm forced to give up enough of my data - not for this. For those that want you to have their data - no problem. But don't turn away those of us that want to use your fantastic system but want to keep control of our data. Not when you were able to do it before!
I think you have a great program, and if you ever decide to support again allowing your customers to manage and keep control of their own data, let me know...Reply
i would like to continue using nab and have done so for 6 years but now i will be forced to go to webbed subscription which i feel uncomfortable with all the hacking going on in large corporations. i like to control my own data without the fear of someone at some point hacking your site. i supported your program and recommended it to friendsReply
My account registers will tell you what services I subscribe to, where I shop, and give you a ballpark on what kind of property I own.
I see your point in this respect, but none of this concerns me. No actual account/membership or other numbers are available from YNAB. I have freezes on all four credit companies and limit and distance alerts on my CCs. And since most of my purchases are done on line anyway, there are other ways to find the information. My YNAB register is probably the least useful.Reply
I also would like a 64-bit desktop option. In addition to the subscription price, another big issue for me is data ownership. Unlike the desktop versions, the subscription service keeps the data on the server. I would like to manage my own data - so this is a red line for me.
As mentioned above, providing a 64-bit Desktop maintenance version, or possibly open-sourcing the project are potential options. Otherwise I'll probably look into creating my own spreadsheet going forward. It's about time I learned to use Excel properly anyway.Reply
For those looking for an alternative to YNAB 4 you might want to check out Actual Budget. It's a one-man show right now and James (owner/developer) has a lot to do still, but it reminds me a lot of the early days of YNAB and James's goals seem to be a lot more in-line with us diehard YNAB 4 fans. Still a subscription model, but he's all about data security and keeping your data on your devices and not his servers.Reply
I found this link https://www.imore.com/how-install-macos-vm-run-your-32-bit-apps, not sure if it would work to allow the Mac version of YNAB 4 to run on a 64 bit Mac operating system or not but it may be worth a try.Reply